Living In The Philippines: 01/06/08

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[LinP3] Re: Widower Moving to Phils from USA with 2 TEENAGE DAUGHTERS...good idea or no?

Ron makes some good points Steve.

The thing is that most moves are real hard for just about any
teenager. I live in the Philippines now and had teenage daughters in
the past. I don't think I could have handled moving them to the
Philippines.

It is of course your decision but I think it is pretty clear that a
extended visit is required before a permanent move is made.

Phil R

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald McCarthy"
<ron@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Guess I'm the only one who believes that you could find a good
life here
> with your children. The skeptics are not entirely wrong. You
would surely
> need to keep your eyes open as you do at home and select your
style of
> living and paths for your children carefully. Depending upon
where you
> choose to live, the expenses for your children will be higher.
Though $12K
> is wildly pessimistic!
>
> I would avoid any school that labels itself "International"; very
expensive
> and mediocre. Wealthy Filipino families would rather send their
children
> abroad (many do) than send them to an "International" school. The
best
> schools such as U of the Philippines (NCR), St. Paul Collage,
Silliman U
> (Region VII), Sto. Tomas (NCR), De la Salle (Das Marinas) are
highly
> accredited and none charge more than P130K per year tuitions, some
much
> less. Peripheral costs should be half of that in addition.
>
> Plan your move carefully, be adequately capitalized and prepare
your
> children for the move and you'll minimize the landmines. On the
other hand,
> you need to be aware of the hazards as well. Among them are the
> availability of inexpensive drugs (shabu) which have invaded every
strata of
> society. I say plan your strategy carefully (make an extended
visit with
> your children), be certain that you are adequately funded and
move! You can
> find a good life here.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve" <smcgi2003@...>
> To: <LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:20 AM
> Subject: [LinP3] Re: Widower Moving to Phils from USA with 2
TEENAGE
> DAUGHTERS...good idea or no?
>
>
> > Actually, my life is right now the best it has been in MANY
years,
> > but if I was in your position I may have taken the same guess
about
> > me. XD no harm, no foul.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>

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[LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

Both work, Paul but sometimes two ID's are needed. The advantage of
using the Philippine Drivers License is that you might be considered
to be trying to adapt a little to the Philippines.

Like you said it is not necessary but it is sometimes an advantage
to have.

What I do if they want one ID I use just the Filipino license and if
they want two I use my Filipino license and my passport.

Phil R

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "revaddict"
<revaddict@...> wrote:
>
> I hadn't thought of it as an ID thing, Phil. I'll keep that in
mind.
> Is it more helpful as an ID than a US passport?
>
> Paul
>
>

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[LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

I've driven in -
Belgium, no drivers licence before 1955, drive like driving a tractor
ie straight down the middle of the road, wrong way round
roundabouts...
Iran...
NYC...
NJ Turnpike...
St Vincent...
Libya...
Sea wall at Galveston...
Dover DE speedway...
Stock car driver...

Just a different way of ignoring common road sense in Philippines

Didn't feel particularly safe in the multicab, poor brakes, poor
performance, poor handling...no help in getting out of trouble caused
by others....

Doubt I'll drive in less than perfect weather tho'
--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "D J" <HawnHog@...>
wrote:
>
> If after being in the Phils for a while and you are still willing
to
> "drive" I take my hat off to you. Not to offend, but in
my "opinion"
> you are very brave or very foolish. :=)
>
> One look at how they drove in the city and I tossed in my keys. I
> let my GF's brothers drive us around. I thought I could handle
> driving out in the country, but even then I discovered, to my
dismay,
> that I was way over my head. They have a different set of rules
> there. THEY HAVE NO RULES!!!. :=)
>
> DJ
> Hawaii
>
>
> --- In
LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n"
> <DAVE.PEAK@> wrote:
> >
> > I rented a multicab for 3 days in November....
> >
> > If you thought you drove defensively before driving in the Phils,
you
> > might stand a chance
> >
> > If you're a member of the "I own the road" club.....it'll be a
> > disaster waiting to happen
> >
> >
> >
>

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[LinP3] Re: Widower Moving to Phils from USA with 2 TEENAGE DAUGHTERS...good idea or no?

I have taken this post and entered it in the new LIPC Forum under
"Living in the Philippines/Cultural Challenages..........." for those
that might want to try that sight.

DJ
Hawaii

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "D J" <HawnHog@...> wrote:
>
> As we see, there are two sides to every coin. I marvel at how a
> simple question or statement can bring so many different points of
> view on any given subject. It is also refreshing that we can agree or
> disagree on a given position without attacking the person.
>
> It is a parents preogative to decide the welfare and upbringing of
> their wards. Be it in a first or third world country. (One should
> judge the pros and cons and decide accordingly.) The only real
> question that really matters is what is in the best interest of the
> child (and not of the parent). That decision rests in the hands of
> the parent and as a parent we need to realize we owe it to our
> children to do what is in their best interest.
>
> The only concerns I regard as noteworthy in this thread is the age of
> the child when the time comes to relocate (I think we can agree it is
> easier when the child is under 7 yrs old.) and the overall outcome of
> the child's future.
>
> Less someone take an axe to my ankles, I am not, nor have I ever been
> or expect to be in this dilemma (my daughter is 40 yrs old) so I am
> only an observer and my opinions really don't matter, but they are MY
> opinions and that was what was asked. :-}
>
> Good Luck to all that have to deal with this.
>
> DJ
> Hawaii
>
> (Whew, I think that went well.....)
>
> --- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "maliwanagbituin"
> <carter_hannah@> wrote:
> >
> > One more lonely vote for the minority:)...
> >
> > I just returned from a three week visit to Iloilo (every time I saw
> > a Caucasian--and there weren't many--on the street near La Paz, I
> > wondered... "is that Paul Agey?"). I might add I was the only white
> > female face I saw in the same time period. Every time I visit the
> > Philippines I feel more familiar and comfortable in my
> > surroundings. Oh please do not think I stayed at the Grand Dame: I
> > stayed at a little pension house called the Sikatuna Apartelle off
> > Jerios... I drank my coffee and had pan de sal in the mornings at
> > Bong's Bread House on the Plaza. I spoke to wonderful people at the
> > wet market, made my own friends and visited Madge's (70-year famous)
> > Cafe in the deep interior of the same market for real Filipino
> > brewed coffee.
> >
> > I was there to visit my eleven-year-old son (Yes, his name really IS
> > Joe!) and his dad over Christmas. His dad is an Ilonggo from
> > Bacolod, Kabankalan actually. Besides the incredible happiness of
> > seeing my beloved kid after 5 months apart, and his dad after a year
> > and a half, I was so deeply delighted to note the person my son is
> > becoming in that environment. This would have been his year to
> > begin middle school here in the States, just 45 minutes outside San
> > Francisco. I wasn't thrilled at the prospects just because I kind
> > of march to a different drummer and would like a deeper experience
> > for my son than what I witnessed my friends' children receiving.
> >
> > There he was at the airport, looking very much the Pinoy he is. He
> > had grown (something every mother wants to be sure of!) but lost a
> > bit of the bulk he left with, due to a more natural diet of rice,
> > fish, chicken, vegetables and of course an occasional trip to
> > Jollibee. When I visited his school I was so relieved to see
> > firsthand the caring attitude and professionalism of his teachers.
> > When I examined the textbooks, it became evident that their
> > curriculum was actually more advanced in study of English grammar
> > and math than what he was using here in California.
> >
> > Bottom line, I do not regret the painful sacrifice of being parted
> > from him for this time while he has a chance to bond with dad and
> > discover his other culture. He now speaks the language, Ilonggo,
> > almost fluently, without effort. I can see his contentment there
> > and the friends he has made.
> >
> > It has been anything but easy and yes, we have had our troubles
> > adjusting all around. But my dearest wish is to just do what it
> > takes to join them there as soon as possible, in the land of
> > smiles. As my son says, "Mom, I don't really want to leave, I just
> > want you to be here!"
> >
> > Maybe 2008 is the year I will find the way to do just that.
> > Hannah
> > Pleasant Hill, CA
> >
> > --- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Boltron"
> > <californiarockers@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Really? You think? Got kids? Retired? Here's the scoop, I retire
> > in
> > > 7 years. My daughter will be 15 then and irregardless how anyone
> > > feels she comes with us to Cebu. Now, actually, she knows the plan
> > > and it will follow through. But, who says our children decide?
> > Until
> > > my daughter reaches 18 she goes where my wife and I decide. I can
> > > not think of a better life's experience for her than living a few
> > > years in a country where she can see how spoiled American children
> > > really are? Maybe it will help in teaching her compassion. Family
> > > bonds, etc. Having been to both places I figure I'm right on the
> > > money. Want to wager a San Miguel? Gandts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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[LinP3] Re: Going thru customs

A converter big enough to run a microwave is going to set you back a
minimum of P1000, closer to P3000+ for a good one that is less
likely to start a fire. P5000 will get you a good one that will run
most appliances,... ONE at a time if they are big electricity users.

Larry in Dumaguete

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, Steve Crawford
<stefanbc2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I'm coming over in April to live in Cebu/Bohol and shipping
household goods by container. My question is about the converter:
how much are they and how many appliances can you run off one? Any
other info would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Steve C
>

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Re: [LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

P7,000??? I think I paid less than P1,000 total for everything, and that was with a couple hundred extra to expedite getting my picture taken to get my license the same day. I also got my wife one at the same time for about double the cost of mine (she doesn't drive).

From: John
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:20 AM
To: LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

Ahah!!! The truth has been spoken, the rules are: There are NO
RULES!! After inquiring about getting a license, I was told by a
clerk in the city hall,(a friend of my wife) "If you have the Pesos
to pay, you can get a license." So, off I went to the LTO, and
without any other requests, I paid a clerk 7,000 Pesos, and got a
temp license, with the regular one due as quickly as I get a
B'rngy "clearance," drug test, and police report, to the tune of 500
Pesos each.
My primary reason for doing this was mentioned in a couple of
earlier posts here; the safety of NOT having to produce my passport
when asked for ID, and no more worry about having to replace it if
lost or stolen. You know the "LOOK" when you produce it for ID.
But
on another note, it gives them a sense of one desiring to be a part
of the country,(you'd be surprised at the level of acceptance
afterwards, I no longer need my wife to "bargain" for me when making
certain purchases, and all of you know what I mean by that phrase.

The most important FUN REASON of all is; when I feel like a good game
of "Chicken,Dodge-Ball, and Bumper Cars, rolled into a Demolition
Derby atmosphere," I just roll out the "tank," and let it rip!!
For a guy that learned how to drive in the mountains of the
Carolinas, back before the movie "Thunder Road" was made, and ripping
and running from the cops by racing to the state borders,etc, driving
here is like a throwback to my teen-age days, and the locals have
MUCH RESPECT, when they see this "Crazy Kano" roll out on the roads
here. Not that I'm advising this as a means of "Family
Entertainment." tho, just expressing my means of getting along,
especially when the local police keep asking me for tips on driving
and handling my vehicle. Can't tell them everything tho, they just
might try to use them on me, Ha Ha.
In all honesty, it DOES take a LOT of nerve to get out and drive
among the locals, most don't know ANY of the proper rules of the
road, so one must drive with their "head on a swivel" and be alert
for ANYTHING,and I DO MEAN ANYTHING!! I've seen some amazing messes
made with these little motorbikes, cars, trucks, and SUVs!! Thank God
they don't have the big bikes I'm used to seeing in the States, nor
the cars!! Now THAT'S when I'll be sitting on the sidelines
watching!! That's a scary thought to even have, guess I better go and
relax my imagination with a calming libation.

Happy Trails!! Ha Ha

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Re: [LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

I've been driving for about 3 months now (Cebu City and surrounding area) and have had no problems. It was a little scary at first, but once accustomed to the unwritten rules, I didn't find it difficult at all. The one major rule is, if it's bigger than you it has the right of way. I never make eye contact with another driver, but I constantly stay aware with peripheral vision. When I first started driving I was ran out of my lane by a taxi and swore that would never happen again. They still try, but once they see I'm not going to budge, they back off. I've driven all over the world and I find the style of driving here very effective (for here), although slow, unless you throw in a Traffic Enforcer, then it's less than slow.
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Though it all looks different now, I know it's still the same...

From: D J
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:47 AM
To: LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

If after being in the Phils for a while and you are still willing to
"drive" I take my hat off to you. Not to offend, but in my "opinion"
you are very brave or very foolish. :=)

One look at how they drove in the city and I tossed in my keys. I
let my GF's brothers drive us around. I thought I could handle
driving out in the country, but even then I discovered, to my dismay,
that I was way over my head. They have a different set of rules
there. THEY HAVE NO RULES!!!. :=)

DJ
Hawaii

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n"
<DAVE.PEAK@...> wrote:
>
> I rented a multicab for 3 days in November....
>
> If you thought you drove defensively before driving in the Phils, you
> might stand a chance
>
> If you're a member of the "I own the road" club.....it'll be a
> disaster waiting to happen
>
>
>

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[LinP3] Re: Keeping your driver's license

The longer you drive in the Philipppines the better you should become.

D J <HawnHog@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: If after being in the Phils for a while and you are still willing to
"drive" I take my hat off to you. Not to offend, but in my "opinion"
you are very brave or very foolish. :=)

One look at how they drove in the city and I tossed in my keys. I
let my GF's brothers drive us around. I thought I could handle
driving out in the country, but even then I discovered, to my dismay,
that I was way over my head. They have a different set of rules
there. THEY HAVE NO RULES!!!. :=)

DJ
Hawaii

--- In LivingInThePhilippines3@yahoogroups.com, "c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n"
<DAVE.PEAK@...> wrote:
>
> I rented a multicab for 3 days in November....
>
> If you thought you drove defensively before driving in the Phils, you
> might stand a chance
>
> If you're a member of the "I own the road" club.....it'll be a
> disaster waiting to happen
>
>
>

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[LinP3] Visiting Palawan

My friends and I are considering a trip down to the island of Palawan,
more specifically, the El Nido area...flying into Puerto Princesa. It
looks beautiful, but then again most promotional photos do :)
Looks like we can get a pretty good deal.

Does anyone have experience, advice, information about the region,
vacationing and/or living there, etc.?

Salamat! -Matthew

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